User talk:Mr Pie 5

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Main page icons[edit source]

Hello! Could you please edit the https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hades_Wiki/Section_2 to have Chthonic Key in the Items section instead of the currently outdated Skeleton Keys? And also maybe include Poseidon and Cerberus in the Characters section as well, since their respective portraits are orphaned now. Viperys (talk) 06:18, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Updated the key, thanks for the notice. As for Poseidon and Cerberus, they were removed from the main page to make room for newer characters. Only so many can cleanly fit in there, and what we have is already pushing that limit (and shrinking them comes with its own issues), which is why it links to the full characters page.
Mr Pie 5 (talk) 08:22, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Tabber[edit source]

Hi, has use of tabber been considered on this wiki anywhere? Support informed me it's active on this wiki already but I don't think I've seen it in use. I was seeking some method of expanding on character favours with more specific information but containing it within tabs to keep text condensed to one area to reduce clutter + keep more specific information spoilered in some manner if people don't want to see it, so I inquired with support about it. Admittedly I'm rusty with it since I haven't done much editing since Wikia days in early 2010s and am trying to recall things as I go.

Also apologies for having to clean up after me, I forgot about categories entirely lol Bereou (talk) 16:27, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

It is enabled on this wiki but I can't recall why I initially enabled it; maybe some project that has since been implemented differently or something. I can help you out with it, but what exactly are you trying to do? (a simple diagram or example of a wiki doing something similar could be helpful for conveying your idea here)
--Mr Pie 5 (talk) 22:56, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Many character favours require seeing specific dialogue in the game. For now most are listed with a brief line that states what you have to do. A lot of these, like Cerberus or Dionysus, are pretty self explanatory and don't really require any additional commentary. Some might need a bit more information, like in the case of Athena, as she has three sets of dialogue related to her favour, and all three need to be seen. Others like Zeus (and honestly I suspect Demeter coming in 1.0 might have some lengthier requirement as well) need a bit more direction on completion, since his requires multiple dialogue flags to proceed.
I was trying to see if some sort of tabbing box would be possible before I thought too deeply on how it would look, but ideally I was considering adding specific necessary dialogue for characters whose favours aren't as self explanatory and may need more information as to what players should look for, should they need further help, if that makes sense. The less complicated ones probably only need one tab to provide more information about needed dialogue, while Zeus may likely be multiple tabs to account for his and Demeter's necessary dialogue. This could also be extended to reunion questlines if need be, but the important thing currently is seeing if this is feasible and would flow well on the pages :/a I don't really have an example to show off since this is an idea I thought of uh.. a few days back honestly, so I'm not sure how well my explanation is coming across. Bereou (talk) 00:12, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for slow reply. I'm still not entirely sure what you're going for (may just be that I'm too out-of-the-loop on the newer game stuff), but I set up a simple example tabber at User:Mr Pie 5/tabber example which could maybe help you get a starting point to try out your idea.
--Mr Pie 5 (talk) 21:03, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
You're good, no pressure! Have you played much since the game started adding in expanded affinity for everyone to remove the lock on their hearts in the codex? That may be where the disconnect is coming from. I'll draft up a wip later when I have a chance and show you Bereou (talk) 21:42, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Looking at patch history, I think the last time I really played was around the Good Times update, so yeah, it's been a while and I'm not familiar with this newfangled affinity.
--Mr Pie 5 (talk) 21:50, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh yeah a lot has changed since then! I've edited your namespace page with some rough work of what I was aiming to do. They're not completed versions, especially since I have to go more thoroughly through the Zeus requirements and make it coherent but I hope that gives a better idea of what I was talking about and why I thought it may be helpful for some pages, due to what the game requires. Bereou (talk) 04:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay forget my last edit, I found out why the items on the well page are listed the way they are and I disagree because it's not really beneficial or user friendly so I will probably just alphabetize them later anyway. I do have another comment though, is this extension something that has to be requested like tabber? An extra thing some of us have considered is inserting audio, like boon sound effects and such, but an issue with this is that the native audio player is large and contributes to page clutter. A small discreet play button would be more ideal to play with and see if its even worth incorporating audio anywhere but I only happened to run across it and don't know what's required to get it to work Bereou (talk) 20:36, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
I've queued up AudioButton and it should be available shortly.
For the Well ordering, yeah alphabetical is fine, I can see there was a bit of grouping regarding duration but no order beyond that. The table could also be made sortable.
For the tabber, I think I can see where you're going, but I'd keep the "info" tab outside the tabber.
--Mr Pie 5 (talk) 02:37, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
That's fair, I'm still trying to consider how it should ideally be done. Removing the info tab removes tabber completely for short ones like Athena, and a point of using tabber on those is to keep the dialogue spoilered until a user clicks on the tab to see the specific requirements, so I'll have to figure out a work around for that. Another thing to consider is how to utilize it for short quests like Cerberus, whose only requirement is literally meeting a minimum amount of pets. I wouldn't use tabber there but it's a question of consistency across character pages, since there are non-Olympian characters with lengthy, text-heavy requirements as well, just as there are Olympians with requirements shorter than Athena's. I may try to discuss it with some other users that are more up to date with the state of the game currently and see what people think.
The Well ordering seems to simply be for a prophecy involving purchasing every item at least once, and frankly outside of the context of that prophecy no one will care about that ordering, and it's painful finding what you're looking for as it currently stands. I think prices and encounter rates are outdated as well and need to be looked at again, as some got adjusted in a patch after the update. Thank you for humouring my whims with the AudioButton though! It's largely been just an idle 'what if we did this for fun' thought but I do have a couple files up to test with. Bereou (talk) 18:23, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Creating a mess[edit source]

Well balls lmao I was trying to contain drafts to my own namespace and borked that up. That's what I get for not paying attention. I tried to double check with namespaces beforehand just in case something was different in the process but a step was still overlooked I guess. Would have preferred this within my own namespace but I've moved over my experimenting back to yours Bereou (talk) 01:35, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't see the problem, it looks to me like it's correctly in your userspace.
--Mr Pie 5 (talk) 21:06, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
HUH. No it formed as an article page rather than in my namespace. I have no pages in my namespace. Bereou (talk) 01:38, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
What's making you think it isn't in your userspace?
--Mr Pie 5 (talk) 02:11, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
It.. it doesn't show up in it? Like with your tab page, there's a link that auto generates at the top that leads back to your user page, but the page I tried to make did not do that. That's the difference I'm trying to point out. The quotes pages another user created branch off as they're supposed to as well, but mine is the oddity, so to me it created a regular article page. I mean I haven't been an active editor for some years so there are things I forget but.................... this seems incorrect to me :/a Bereou (talk) 02:34, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Ah, that's a link that appears on subpages to link to the parent page (sometimes called a breadcrumb). What your userspace actually is your userpage (User:Bereou), which is one page in the User namespace, and then other pages in your userspace (User:Bereou/Sandbox) are subpages of that page. The breadcrumb link was not being created simply because your base userpage did not exist, but otherwise your sandbox was correctly in your userspace. I created your userpage blank, and now the breadcrumb link shows up.
--Mr Pie 5 (talk) 22:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
That's wild, and a bit unclear on the user side of things, as there's no obvious indication that you need to go an extra step for the base userpage. But! Everything is a learning experience, so I will file that nugget away. I was looking for the link back since that's how I remembered subpages working, and when it didn't do that, I didn't know why, just that something was incorrect somewhere. I am keeping you busy haha. Bereou (talk) 00:37, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Willing to do the spanish translation on Hades Wiki[edit source]

Hi Mr Pie 5:

I'm GarridiN, a spanish guy playing Hades. This wiki is simply great and I'm willing to start the spanish translation of it since the game is also in spanish and we(spanish people) are a huge community around internet from Spain to Latin America and we deserve a great wiki too. I already read the tutorial and if I understood it correctly I need to translate the main page and some of the wiki big pages following the translation guidelines to. Just tell me if I'm doing it in the way it must be done and I will start the translation of the whole wiki.

Regard, GarridiN (talk) 17:08, 28 September 2020 (UTC)